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Jeydra · May 11, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Especially on the Luxon side, there are also quite a few in RA. It doesn't take much to identify them, just go there and play a few games during the late American night. Can't something be done about them?

EPO Bot · May 11, 2009, 09:33 AM // 09:33

Sadly, a bot that does nothing else but run towards the same quarry trying to get a RoJ off is just as effective as any thinking player if you happen not to be in interrupt range.

Longasc · May 11, 2009, 09:58 AM // 09:58

They do something that makes sense, even if they are clumsy bots.

In fact more effective than the player who was going after my Dire Wolf exclusively. I am not sure if he was a misguided bot or not...^^

Wish Swiftdeath · May 11, 2009, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Shouldn't this be in gladiators?

Hang on, don't we already have a thread in gladiators?

fgarvin · May 11, 2009, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

Shouldn't this be in gladiators?

Hang on, don't we already have a thread in gladiators?

Why no, no we don't. This is actually the very first Bot related thread, ever.

I still waiting for the very first "OMG, I got banned" thread and also a thread dealing with what the OP considers to be stupid updates. Threads like that would be awesome.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 11, 2009, 11:15 AM // 11:15

There's one in the TA section of gladiators.

However, we've tried to bring this to Anet's attention but they don't seem to care sadly. I feel bad whenever i earn a bot a glad point/faction but I'm too lazy to leave when I've got a half decent team.

Arduin · May 11, 2009, 11:19 AM // 11:19

What can be done about them is everyone starting to use /report on the bots. And by that I mean everyone, so you won't have to afraid of the backlash if you are the only one reporting.

Added to that, you can also send screenshots to support.

pumpkin pie · May 11, 2009, 11:41 AM // 11:41

bot watch is good.

refer · May 11, 2009, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

What can be done about them is everyone starting to use /report on the bots. And by that I mean everyone, so you won't have to afraid of the backlash if you are the only one reporting.

2nd. I don't even care about the backlash though. If you have a leecher in your group and don't report what is your excuse? There is no excuse. You're too lazy and are enabling them. I like getting 1/3 of vote for no dishonorable points, but entire teams should be reporting.

Zahr Dalsk · May 11, 2009, 12:12 PM // 12:12

How are these bots any worse than the human RoJ players?

Kumu Honua · May 11, 2009, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Because they aren't all RoJ bots.

There are the bots that are programmed to go to a random base defender and "Hide" there are whammo bots that follow players and randomly cspace. There are RoJ bots that go to a set quarry to launch RoJ. There are Healing circle bots that go to a set quarry and spam healing circle spells.

All to varying degrees of "Usefulness". I would contend however that a non-bot of any type is better than any bot.

Actual players even if they suck, at least go back to the fray after being killed. Most bots do not.

Vel · May 11, 2009, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

bot watch is good.

Not really. I tried botwatch few times. One of the reported offenders went from r8 to r12 kuku and is still farming. The botwatch is the page where ANET tries to gather intelligence to kill the competition. "Don't pay them, pay us! One more account gets you many zkeys.. come buy one. Hey look! now you can event get more gifts, if you just buy one more account from us!!"

Wonder about the reason to have skills like ROJ, Aura of the Lich, Weaken Knees etc. in their current form for months?

refer · May 11, 2009, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Because they aren't all RoJ bots.

There are the bots that are programmed to go to a random base defender and "Hide" there are whammo bots that follow players and randomly cspace. There are RoJ bots that go to a set quarry to launch RoJ. There are Healing circle bots that go to a set quarry and spam healing circle spells.

All to varying degrees of "Usefulness". I would contend however that a non-bot of any type is better than any bot.

Actual players even if they suck, at least go back to the fray after being killed. Most bots do not.

The only bots I've seen are follow bots, and a Pain bot. But since I only play FA (yeah, I'm like that), it's not as bad... I'd rather have a bot that does something rather than just sit and do nothing, but I can understand the problem in other places where death is more serious. The only thing we can do is snipe on site. Even if the system is broken we should pushing it for all it's worth.

Oink The Pig · May 12, 2009, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I'd rather be on a team with a bot that does something useful than on a team with one that just hits enter and sits at the spawn (or hides in the base).

The worst was the other night when I got a team with 4 characters synched in from the same guild, all with no secondary profession, all with the same delay in connecting (probably one person running all four on the same connection) and all just sitting right on the initial spawn without moving. There's no point to /report them because they outnumber you, and it makes more sense to use your dishonorable allotment to leave that train wreck (and you can try to avoid getting into a match with them again).

Martin Alvito · May 12, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by refer

2nd. I don't even care about the backlash though. If you have a leecher in your group and don't report what is your excuse? There is no excuse. You're too lazy and are enabling them. I like getting 1/3 of vote for no dishonorable points, but entire teams should be reporting.

You're wrong. There's a simple reason to not /report. The logic runs like this:

If I /report, I expend a small cost (effort) and risk a much larger cost (dishonor). My individual /report makes no difference to whether or not ANet bans the bot. Therefore, I should let other players expend the costs and take the risks.

This type of problem is known as a collective action problem in economics. Organizing large groups of people to accomplish a task is doomed from the start, unless you can restrict the benefits to only those that do the work.

I've said it before: the /report system is fatally flawed because of this. It's good for witch hunts (see threads on how names get banned) and that's about it.

Greedy Gus · May 12, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

JQ is a garbage arena, the only point is nuking clumps of NPCs who stand there. People just roll up ridiculous pve builds and farm their points.

EPO Bot · May 12, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

JQ is a garbage arena, the only point is nuking clumps of NPCs who stand there. People just roll up ridiculous pve builds and farm their points.

It's a good place to train your interrupt muscle.

makosi · May 12, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I don't even join from the Luxon end anymore because of botters. 5v8 is really frustrating.

Alleji · May 12, 2009, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

It's a good place to train your interrupt muscle.

On 2-second RoJs and fire nukes?

EPO Bot · May 12, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Alleji

On 2-second RoJs and fire nukes?

Basically: When you see a lonely dot on the radar moving towards the nearest quarry you know you better hurry or it all goes up in flames.

Man everyone is abusing RoJ these days. Not just monks but assassins, eles mezmers and even wammos. Something must be done.